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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 13, 2008 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: When GM goes bankrupt....

From Mr. Young:

Find a new ownership group. The culture must change. It is time to turn the page. In the high technology sector there are several candidates for ownership of a major car and truck manufacturer. We need forward looking people who are not restricted by the existing culture in Detroit. We need visionary people now with business sense to create automobiles that do not contribute to global warming.

It is time to change and our problems can facilitate our solutions. We can no longer afford to continue down Detroit's old road. The people have spoken. They do not want gas guzzlers (although they still like big cars and trucks). It is possible to build large long-range vehicles that are very efficient. People will buy those vehicles because they represent real change and a solution that we can live with.

The government must take advantage of the powerful position that exists today. The Big 3 are looking for a bailout. They should only get it if they agree to stop building autos that contribute to global warming now. The stress on the auto manufacturers today is gigantic. In order to keep people working in their jobs and keep factories open, this plan is suggested:

The big three must reduce models to basics. a truck, an SUV, a large family sedan, an economy sedan, and a sports car. Use existing tooling.

Keep building these models to keep the workforce employed but build them without engines and transmissions. These new vehicles, called Transition Rollers, are ready for a re-power. No new tooling is required at this stage. The adapters are part of the kits described next.

At the same time as the new Transition Rollers are being built, keeping the work force working, utilize existing technology now, create re-power kits to retrofit the Transition Rollers to SCEVs (self charging electric vehicles) for long range capability up to and over 100mpg. If you don't think this technology is realistic or available, check out the Progressive Insurance Automotive X prize. Alternatively, check out or other examples.

A bailed out Auto manufacturer must open or re-purpose one or more factories and dedicate them to do the re-power/retrofit assembly. These factories would focus on re-powering the Transition Rollers into SCEVs but could also retrofit and re-power many existing vehicles to SCEVs. These existing vehicles are currently sitting unsold at dealerships across America.

Auto manufacturers taking advantage of a government bailout must only sell clean and green vehicles that do not contribute to global warming. No more internal combustion engines that run exclusively on fossil fuels can be sold period.

No Big Three excuses like "new tooling takes time". New tooling is not a requirement for SCEV transition rollers.

Build only new vehicles that attain the goal of reversing global warming and enhancing National Security.

Government legislation going with the bailout should include tax breaks for purchasers of these cars with the new green SCEV technology. The legislation accompanying the bailout of major auto manufacturers must include directives to build only vehicles that attain the goal of reversing global warming while enhancing National security, and provide the financial assistance to make manufacturing these cars affordable in the short term while the industry re-stabilizes.

Eventually the SCEV technology could be built into every new car and truck as it is being assembled and the stop gap plan described above would have completed its job of keeping America building and working through this turbulent time.

Detroit has had a long time to adapt to the new world and now the failure of Detroit's actions is costing us all. We pay the bailout. Let's make a good deal for the future of America and the Planet. Companies like UQM (Colorado) and others build great electric motors right here in the USA. Use these domestic electric motors. Put these people to work now. This plan reverses the flow from negative to positive because people need and will buy clean and green cars to be part of World Change. Unique wheel covers will identify these cars on the road so that others can see the great example a new car owner is making. People want America to win!

This plan addresses the issue of Global warming from our automobiles while enhancing our National Security and keeping Detroit working.

Neil Young, activist (Bridge School, Farm Aid) rock legend, has assembled a team that in the process of transforming his gargantuan 1959 Lincoln Continental from a gas guzzler into a showcase for green technology and sustainability. The car will be entered into the Automotive X Prize that offers a $10 million prize to develop a vehicle that can get 100 miles per gallon or better. The almost 50 year old Lincoln, one of the biggest, heaviest production cars of all time, has been re-named "Linc Volt" and is the subject of a feature documentary called "Repowering The American Dream" that is now in production under the aegis of Young's Shakey Pictures.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 13, 2008 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: When GM goes bankrupt....

Sounds good to me; heard someone today, along with T. Freidman, arguing that if they do go for the auto bailout it should have a lot of restrictions on it (can the CEOs, hybrids are the primary focus, all the MPG req's, tear-up the union agreements, etc., etc.), and I suppose that if it does go thru with that, then maybe at long last they will come around (I thought that was going to happen in 73!? As I sat in my gas line in my VW sqback I was sure they would get it naive can you get?).

As a sometime bleeding heart though, it is the case you do feel sorry for folks. The notion that EVERYONE should own a home seems so appealing, right? I used to think it should be so (now I am not so sure). The notion that everyone that works their butt off for 40 yrs should be entitled to a great pension plan seems reasonable, but what if their company really does deserve to go under? Shouldn't they forfeit their great pension? Is that too severe?

Tough issues, and fortunately, I get paid to talk about the DEAD hereabouts...Right? Hey--where do I check up on my benefits package here? After posting for two years, don't I have a common-law agreement with Diana and Tyler?

I better not get carpal tunnel...

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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 13, 2008 11:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: When GM goes bankrupt....

"I thought that was going to happen in 73!"

one of the most surprising and frustrating things about aging is being able to look back and say: "didn't we already go through this and why didn't we get the problem corrected then..."

the energy crisis and problems with the auto industry are a perfect example...

it almost sounds like a broken record of history hearing similar, if not the identical , energy saving pleas and seeing the same public service announcemnts and hearing the same back-assed logic of the auto companies...etc., etc., etc...

it seemed the country's attitude was changing earlier in the year with the higher gas prices and all but I am now not seeing that same attitude. Though it doesn't take much of a price change for people to get off of their high horse regarding cutting consumption and back behind the wheel.

Unfortunately, I do believe it will take one more round to get everyone on board and actually having true change. Just hope it doesn't take bottoming out to get us to that time of change; and by change I mean moving away from oil dependency for transportation. Then we will continue to have a supply for important things like plastics and polyester suits for salary men and ambulance chasing lawyers...

why am I thinking of the graduate?..oh yes: "Plastics"

This post was modified by veblen on 2008-11-14 07:11:21

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Nov 14, 2008 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: When GM goes bankrupt....

Went through a few times. As part of my application to college in '82 I wrote an Anti-Car / Pro-Bicycle essay. Imagine how much could be saved if people did not use cars for any errands that required less than 1 mile of round trip travel?

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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 15, 2008 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: traffic deaths linked to increased walking and biking....

hey jglynn, I was thinking of biking and your essay only to see this in today's local fish-wrap:

"Traffic deaths and injuries soared in 2007, a trend that appears to be linked to the increasing number of people walking and riding their bikes."

rarely speechless, but that line just has me shaking my head since a more probable explanation for the increase is talking and texting while driving. HANDS FREE!!!

I come close to being hit multiple times a day by people driving with their in minds into conversation and not on the road. Of course the response after almost hitting you is always the same: "sorry." like sorry really helps after plowing into someone... Funny, I was thinking last night it might be time to move since I don't know how much longer my luck will hold.

Once I was crossing an intersection that had just given me the walk signal only to see a woman on the phone flying through the light coming towards me. She was less than a few yards from me on the phone and it was one of the few times that I knew no movement would help and I was counting my blessings. As I was looking at this woman driving while talking and her eyes blinded by thought she was broadsided by a car coming towards me in the intersection. She was about a yard from me when she was hit. She went into a 360 spin up onto the sidewalk where I was retreating, almost hitting me a second time in the span of seconds.

When her car stopped I ran over and she still was talking on the phone saying: "I have no idea what happened but someone just ran into me..." "I will tell you what happened lady, you almost killed me and the woman in the other car"...

I was just in shock, but the woman that hit her, who was in the right with the light, was pregnant; and it was an ugly scene getting her out of the car. Fortunately she and her unborn were ok. Without a doubt, the accident saved my ass. Still brings a shiver to my spine just thinking about it...


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Poster: paulypecker Date: Nov 15, 2008 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: traffic deaths linked to increased walking and biking....

Quite a story you have to tell. Honestly, I just got chills after reading about it. Glad to hear you are still with us as well as the mother-to-be and baby. I have had similar experiences but not to that degree of danger. I see, mostly women,on their cells all the time and wish the authorities would crack down on it more aggressively. I still can't comprehend how someone can actually text and drive at the same time. I'm not a texter myself but have to assume it is quite distracting to do while driving a car.Complete disregard for the safety of others and at the very least,themselves. And how can the reason for the increase in pedestrian/cyclist "accidents" be from more of them out on the street? Like you said, it has to be for reasons such as the ones we're speaking of,right? Who wrote that article in the paper anyway? Do you have a link? I'd be interested to read it.
Goes to show, you don't ever know-Keep you're eyes peeled when out on the streets and even on the sidewalk! Stay safe.

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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 15, 2008 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: traffic deaths linked to increased walking and biking....

here you go paulypecker:

actually I just read the entire thing myself and it still blows me away that the onus is not being placed on the cars but on the pedestrians and cyclists, with only a single line about phones and texting. Granted, I am biased toward the ped/cyclist but my objective observations from ten years of daily walking here tells me that bad drivers are the bigger problem.

I do recall seeing the CHPs stats for pushing the Hands Free law last year and they showed clearly that phones and texting were causing increased accidents and fatalities.

Though I love hearing the illogical argument that talking on the phone or texting is just like eating while driving. I don't know about you but I never screamed or laughed at a hamburger leading me to take my mind off of the road. Of course eating while driving can be dangerous as well (e.g., when the fries drop on floor, ketchup on your shirt, etc., etc.) but eating normally doesn't impair your thought process as carrying on a conversation does.

Also I believe that the majority of cyclists attempt to obey the traffic laws since in most jurisdictions bikes are equal to motor vehicles where the law is concerned, but unfortunately the majority of drivers do not see this equality and to me that is the root of the problem. As I once told a judge in el paso traffic court: "if I followed the letter of the traffic code I would be dead because I am not treated as an equal except by law enforcement." At least I had a smart judge who said: "case closed." Honestly it might have had more to do with him being a cyclist and knowing the truth than being smart.

So for a good portion of my time in tejas you could still drink beer and drive, thanks to the lbj mentality. Then drivers couldn't drink, only passengers. I haven't lived there in a decade, but I do believe it is now like most states where open containers are illegal.

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Poster: paulypecker Date: Nov 15, 2008 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: traffic deaths linked to increased walking and biking....

Thanks veb. I was not familiar with the traffic scene in SF before so this was an educational reading for me. After reading it I have to assume now that some bicyclists are some
what at fault if they are not obeying the rules or just riding recklessly. I think it's a "two-way street" kind of scenario where everyone has to do their part in keeping the roadways safe for all. Still think it's hideous that people actually text while driving-it seems they're just asking for trouble. Thanks for a "good" topic of discussion.

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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 15, 2008 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: traffic deaths linked to increased walking and biking....

that is true about some cyclists but I do believe if they/we were shown any respect the streets would be more peaceful and safe, or at least it would be a beginning for change.

Unfortunately cyclists seem to fall in line right after skateboarders as being seen as urban revolutionaries and the cause of many problems. More than once, I have seen cops stopping and berating peaceful skateboarders while heroin sales and other crimes are taking place within eyesight. By peaceful, I mean someone that is just commuting down the street and not doing tricks or anything along those lines.

one thing that always gets me is having cyclists treated as kids and being talked down to in a patronizing and condescending tone. "when are you going to grow up and drive a car like adults..."

drivers and cyclists are most likely two groups that will never get along...

cyclists here like many cities have a monthly critical mass to disrupt traffic and show some power, but even though I see what they are trying to do and am in favor of it, I am not sure it is changing many people's minds in the driving community for the positive. funny, I have a feeling if the skateboarders attempted a critical mass the national guard would be called out.

thanks for letting me ramble on it, since it is an important topic to me.

time to listen to the wildwood boys 63-02-23 and then it will be the black mountain boys...spending an evening with the early jerry bands...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 14, 2008 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: When GM goes bankrupt....

Ha! Stupid little story, but I was at a lecture with a bunch of young college kids and the prof was talking about plastic degrading bacteria, and he looked like Dustin H., so at the end, I smirked and asked "what DOES he (the prof) have in common with Dustin?" No response. I said: "plastics" in that same confident fatherly voice. No reaction. Had to explain about the movie.


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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 14, 2008 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead: "thanks for the mammeries mrs robinson".

pathetic is GREAT movie to say the very least...

the only negative about the flick is that they have the bay bridge going in the wrong direction, having the top level going East toward the biggity-biggity O and berzerkeley...though the only reason it hits me is because I live here and think about it when I take the bridge...

plus it was possibly the first time I saw breastises on the big screen..."thanks for the mammeries mrs robinson"...

that story reminds me having to explain that paul m was in a band prior to wings..."no, he wasn't..." of those discussions/people that you just want to run from but it was on a date...